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Photo: Peter Doggers
Jorden van Foreest on his victory against Carlsen: “I never thought it would happen”
Jorden van Foreest was woken up at 1:30 AM when the fire alarm went off at the players’ hotel. Despite his disrupted night’s sleep, it was he who, just over 12 hours later, “set the board on fire” – and managed to defeat world number one Magnus Carlsen in a thrilling game in the fourth round of the TePe Sigeman & Co Chess Tournament.
Here is Peter Doggers’ interview with Jorden van Foreest, conducted right after the victory that is making headlines throughout the chess world.
Jorden, your first victory over Magnus Carlsen, the former world champion but still the world number one. This must be an incredible feeling?
– Yeah. It’s crazy, right? It was also such a crazy game, and it just finished, so I haven’t even had time to collect my feelings or thoughts or anything like that. But, yeah, honestly, I didn’t think it would ever happen, so it’s a big moment.
Let’s start from the beginning. You went for the f4-variation in Najdorf. I know that Erwin l’Ami lost a game with black against this last year. Did that influence your choice of line?
– Yeah, a little bit. But also, I mean, Magnus can play any opening really, so you never really know what to expect. But Najdorf is always one of the options. I just thought, which line haven’t I played and maybe he wouldn’t be so ready for, or might find a bit unpleasant, and I came up with this F4 line. Actually, Erwin is here, and we even spoke about it a little bit this morning, but very briefly. It’s funny, we also got the same endgame as in his game last year, and I guess the opening choice was at least all right.
I think a big moment was when you had to choose between maybe pushing the pawn or going for Nc6 and the endgame that followed. Or did you not consider pushing the pawn?
– Haha! I think you lost me there. I don’t know. Nc6? Ah, over there, right. Okay. Like, taking the exchange… I could play c4 there, yeah, but I thought then at least he castles. I don’t know. I was tempted by the whole thing that happened in the game, but I don’t know if it was good or not. I haven’t checked with the computer, but at least I won some material. And my rooks were pretty active, so I thought it was at least practical.
You were discussing the game a bit with Magnus afterward. Can you share some of the conclusions you drew?
– Yeah. I think to really draw any conclusions we’d need to discuss for a long time, and it was also such a long game. I think we were both quite tired, but it was very nice of him to even discuss it, because actually he just had a draw if he didn’t play king to H7 but went knight to D5, and he put up such good resistance after being in trouble that I was already kind of resigned to making a draw and I was okay with it. And then suddenly I got this moment out of nowhere and things spiraled out of control again. But yeah, it was a fascinating game and I think he thought so too. That’s why we discussed it a bit.
And we had that fire alarm, of course, in the middle of the night, 1:30 AM. Did you manage to get some sleep afterwards or were you in any way affected by it during the game?
– No, I mean, it wasn’t that late. I went to sleep maybe quarter to one or something. But actually, I think I had just fallen asleep, so I was in some weird mode. When the fire alarm went off, I just woke up in total panic and disorientation. I had no idea where I was, and it was completely pitch black in my room. The sound was so incredibly loud, so I spent a minute looking for the light. Then I went back upstairs when it turned out there was no actual fire, it was a false alarm, but it took a little time to get back to sleep. But I think I fell asleep around 2:30, so I still had about seven hours of sleep, so it wasn’t bad.
Analysis of the game:
Analysis of the round 4 game van Foreest-Carlsen